Orthodox help?

topic posted Mon, October 16, 2006 - 12:42 PM by  Unsubscribed
Ok,

So...this may seem odd, but here goes.

I was raised Jewish (reform) and converted to Paganism about 15 years ago. I’m pretty happy and very active in the Pagan community. I also still consider myself Jewish culturally and many of my rituals and activities are rooted in that culture.

So, someone very dear (a friend) has come back into my life after a long absence. She has recently converted to Orthodox Judaism. Her e-mails are full of lots of Jewish code words that I’m just so....at a loss on. Mostly because I was never Orthodox to begin with so a lot of the Jewish rituals she refers to I spend a lot of time on wikipedia trying to figure out, but I want to make sure that I don’t inadvertently say the wrong thing or make some horribly offensive comment that sends her running for the hills.

So...are there any landmines that I should know about (particularly about the role of women would be helpful) regarding Orthodox Judaism?

Thank you for any help you can give!
posted by:
Unsubscribed
  • Re: Orthodox help?

    Tue, October 17, 2006 - 4:48 PM
    Hi,
    I think your friend may be more open to explaining things and accepting your lack of knowledge than you think. you may want to tell her you are glad she is so happy with this new life but can she explain the terminology when using it? I think she would be glad to know that you care to understand.
    Is your friend single? in orthodoxy there are a lot of set-up dates (shidduchs) and it is considered a mitzvah to set up couples. Aside- there is an interesting phenomenon where singles move to New York to meet a mate and move away once they are married.
    Men and women don't touch one another unless they are married or one degree of separation family (not sure if this counts for kids under a certain age). even when married, there are rules about certain times of the month when a man can't touch his wife- during her period and a few days after, I think. Your friend would almost always wear clothing that covers her elbows and knees. (you can find men or women's swim time in some religious communities.) Also they would keep shabbat, no driving, phone, email, shopping or cooking from friday eve till sat eve. Keeping kosher is a big concern, your friend would not go to a restaurant unless they are strictcly kosher, but you shouldn't have to censor yourself if you think she respects you for your own choices. (what a great bacon cheeseburge I had today! as a vegetarian it wouldn't sound exciting to me but I am happy for a friend if they got a thrill out of their lunch - I just probably wouldn't build a conversation around it ;)
    I hope this helps, this is some of the basic stuff I've learned over the years through Hillel and friends.
    Ilana
    • Unsu...
       

      Re: Orthodox help?

      Wed, October 18, 2006 - 1:39 PM
      She has a fiancee', so no hooking up help would be required ;-). Good to know about the Sabbath hours (she called it Shabbas) and the dress code.

      Since she is "new" to this world, I also don't want to scandalize her new family and community by swaggering with my tattoos and army boots when we meet up again. I don't think *she* would be terribly shocked, but no reason to give the in-laws heart attacks.

      Thank you very much for your input!
      • Re: Orthodox help?

        Thu, October 19, 2006 - 12:40 AM
        Hey,
        I didn't necessarily mean hook up help, but funny thought... just wanted to say how things often go in their world, maybe even how she met him? Also about the style of dress- I don't remember why, but women generally don't wear pants, always skirts or dresses. if you visit, as long as you are tastefully "covered up" I think it's fine for you to wear pants. One more thing! when she gets married she will wear a wig or scarf to cover her hair! this is all because the woman is so powerful that she distracts men from their study of Torah...
        good luck, have fun- it's an interesting look at part of Judaism.
        Ilana
  • Re: Orthodox help?

    Mon, March 5, 2007 - 6:47 AM
    Finding common ground, Judaism is really an earth religion very connected to the land, we plant trees, all of our feasts are tied to agricultural and seasonal events. I recently made friends with a pagan and because we both share deep mutual respect for each other we are able to share the similarities and differences of our path in the most exquisite loving manner.

    So the key points are making connection where you see genuine spiritual energies and respectfully understanding when you see empty form. Regardless of the religion you'll find genuine spiritual seekers, and those that are religiously holding to the forms are absent of spiritual essence, it is the way of all things. When we look past the comfortablliy of our own path, pass all the forms and rituals of other paths, and look into other sacred human, we will always find the deeper language of connection that transcends all forms all paths.

    stay in the tender moment,
    Yosef Nachman Bender

Recent topics in "Judaism"

Topic Author Replies Last Post
No heaven or hell, right? Benny Frankl... 2 August 4, 2008
Jewish Polytheism Unsubscribed 28 July 7, 2008
Jews with tattoos -Senior Thesis Unsubscribed 7 May 8, 2008
Jewish vs. zionist Unsubscribed 8 March 31, 2008